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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 664

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for the 27th of june 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from

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lockdown yes sydney once again has been

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thrown

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cast into the pit of lockdown due to the

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outbreak of the delta variation the

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delta variant

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of curve at 19 out and about in the

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community

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and spreading rapidly and this current

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lockdown is scheduled to last

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two weeks for the greater sydney area

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plus up north down south

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and other restrictions around the rest

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of the state

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and this news sort of leads us on to the

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first segment in today's show

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where we read to you more of those

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covert clunkers

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those wacky crazy conspiracy theorists

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are at it again

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distributing their leaflets and flyers

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about

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anti-vaccination and coverts just a

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conspiracy

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so coming up at the top of the show more

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madness following that you can count on

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adrian

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kelly burke and kelly

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has been helping on the great australian

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psychic prediction project now for

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many many months and together

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they look at some of the more waffly

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what and we like the term waffles

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because waffles have maple syrup

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and so do psychics it seems after that

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it's another installment from

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the book of tim with tim mendem

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and this week tim will be looking at

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sears spies

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and satan then to round off the show we

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look into those trove archives once

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the digitized newspapers and gazettes

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and periodicals magazines and so on and

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we look for references

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to the word psychic and the word

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fraud in the same report

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oh yes lock down again well maybe it's a

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staying indoors i haven't got much

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choice really

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and wrapping up in a nice warm blanket

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and uh slowing down a bit and being

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nice and cozy gamootly

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as that's said in german

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inokochini or something like that

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whatever language you speak i hope

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you're feeling nice and cozy and warm

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sorted out anyway now it's time for me

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to run downstairs

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in fact i've cheated people i cheated

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i've already ran downstairs and i've

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big crusty toast with peanut butter

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while i enjoyed that i hope you enjoy

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you know this time last year

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we would have flattened the curve

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do you remember that

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but here we are at the end of june 2021

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and just as persistent as governor 19

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are the covert 19 conspiracy theorists

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but yes the tireless conspiracy

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are out and about with their flyers and

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politician has been hard at it

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with the covert 19 conspiracy theories i

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thought i would relay

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a few more to you today now thanks to a

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listener to the skeptic zone

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shane robertson we have an example of a

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sent this by the way to our reporter

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heidi robertson

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baliner today

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attached below now east baliner is in

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northern rivers area as heidi robinson

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supporters the area in

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new south wales with the highest amount

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a conspiracy theorist i would dare say

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and he goes on to thank heidi for her

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flyer in question it's a strange one

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men and women of australia i feel duty

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treatment is as i understand it

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unprecedented i don't understand why

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australians

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need to rush to take risks with their

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health

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and i don't understand why the

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australian government has guaranteed the

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pharmaceutical companies

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and indemnity should their covert 19

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vaccines cause illness or death

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it would appear these pharmaceutical

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companies lack the confidence in their

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products

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that makes them ask for such indemnity

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we need to maintain the very high

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standards

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australia has set for itself in the

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approvals of vaccines

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god bless australia clive palmer

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now incidentally clive was also

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campaigning

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a year or two back under the banner

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make australia great again and i notice

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clive has been taken to task in the

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media for some of these comments i will

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link to that

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clip in this week's show notes you can

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see that for yourself

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[Music]

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but yes covert 19 is not going away

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anytime soon

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and neither are the conspiracy theorists

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and the anti-vaccination crowd

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oh sell it hi

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this is joe and i've got an announcement

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about zealot

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i took an extended break from recording

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and releasing episodes and some of you

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absolute legends have been messaging me

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asking if the podcast is coming back

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sometimes quite aggressively but look

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you're passionate and you like

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stories about the worst people in the

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whole world

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so after a bit of a relax and a bit of

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a think i've decided that zealot

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won't be coming back there's no bad

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reason for that

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at all i've had the best possible time

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making zealot

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and the response to it has wildly

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exceeded my expectations

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it led to me writing a book and

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recording a live episode in canada

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and speaking to so many people i admire

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and making jokes at the expense of

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exploitative narcissists my favorite

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it's been incredible and i'm just done

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i'd like to finish zealot while it's a

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grape not a raisin

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thank you to every single guest who

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helped me talk about these bizarre

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awful fascinating cults thank you to the

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cheese and wine shops in three different

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neighborhoods for helping me feed my

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guests

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thank you to jerry aka the everglades

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for my ridiculous jingles

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and oh my god thank you to

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every single listener

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what a bloody ride eh

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don't join a cut

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[Music]

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you can count on adrian with

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adrian hill

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[Music]

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a while back i reported that fellow gsow

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editor and friend

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kelly burke had become really frustrated

367
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with us having difficulty categorizing

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a prediction in the great australian

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prediction project

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she's going to join me today i'm so

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excited to review

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some of the more entertaining

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predictions we have come across

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and the they're going to be the most

375
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waffley covered in canadian maple syrup

376
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all

377
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hey kelly i'm so looking forward to

378
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doing this with you

379
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can you start us off with explaining the

380
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process a little bit

381
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hey adrian i'm excited to be here so

382
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when we're going through predictions

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we categorize them as correct wrong

384
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expected

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unknown or vague so something that's

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expected would be like

387
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there is going to be an earthquake in

388
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the world this year it happens every

389
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year so it's not groundbreaking that a

390
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psychic would say that

391
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something that would be vague would be

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like jennifer aniston is going to have a

393
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great year for love this year

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it's not really something we can check

395
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or look into short of interviewing

396
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jennifer aniston

397
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so we can't really make a judgment on

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that

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ridiculous

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and have so little content that they

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don't even deserve to be called vague

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i suggested making a whole new wtf

403
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category

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but we're too far into the process at

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that point so instead

406
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we decided to share them with you lovely

407
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people as a general rule

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we found that some of the most

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long-winded waffley and wordy

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predictions

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involve the planets here's an example

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this is from edgar winter in 2011.

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the entry of the planet uranus into

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aries sign

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will bring in new political leaders

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um because there are never any new

417
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political leaders right kelly

418
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no that's not how politics works adrian

419
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and here's another one and this one was

420
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in 2010 and it's from

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yasmin boland and it's about tiger woods

422
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and what she said was

423
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the trouble with tiger it's pluto

424
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if you watched as tiger woods endless

425
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stream of mistresses was revealed at the

426
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end of last year

427
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think about this for a second one

428
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girlfriend would make him a love rat

429
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but 14 surely that means he has a

430
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problem

431
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as the purging planet pluto love the

432
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alliteration

433
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moves through capricorn tiger

434
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like many cappies is going through a

435
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healing crisis

436
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but pluto clears out the crud

437
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in this case it's clearing out his life

438
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no matter what your sign

439
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if you're going through a clearing out

440
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which is painful

441
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wait and see it's probably pluto at work

442
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and it could yet be the best thing to

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ever happen to you

444
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it's a safe bet tiger hopes so too gotta

445
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clear out that crud

446
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[Laughter]

447
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it sounds like you can just do whatever

448
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you want and then call in pluto to clean

449
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it up and you're good

450
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yep i'm gonna keep that in mind

451
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so here is a favorite of the prediction

452
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project

453
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this is where all of the non-australians

454
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learned what the word clucky meant

455
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because that is not a thing here

456
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this one is from jenny bloom in 2011 and

457
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it's about penelope cruz

458
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with clucky venus growing even brighter

459
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over the next few years

460
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there's no doubt family expansion is the

461
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name of the game

462
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stay tuned for more babies gotta look

463
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out for those babies when venus is

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bright

465
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yeah i think i'm gonna avoid clucky

466
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venus if i can

467
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my kids are all grown up i think that's

468
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it's a family show right

469
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okay so as shown with the previous

470
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planet

471
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predictions politicians and celebrities

472
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are common fodder but

473
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here is a favorite one and it's from

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serena damon in 2010

475
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and she says a major hollywood couple

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with connections to europe will go their

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separate ways

478
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so kelly i never knew that celebrities

479
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ever broke up i thought they always

480
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stayed together

481
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,559
oh that's news to me but this is a

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standard psychic tactic

483
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they mention a connection to europe and

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it can be anything it can be a family

485
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member who went to europe last month

486
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or it can be something that they ordered

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from europe

488
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and suddenly this super vague prediction

489
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seems like it's really really specific

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because they knew about europe and how

491
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could they ever know about that

492
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all right here's one from joy arena in

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2016.

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many celebrities will be drawn to

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spirituality

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some for their own understanding and

497
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others for their own egos to be boosted

498
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,159
what's a celebrity with ego crazy

499
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a celebrity will appear to be wanting to

500
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help others

501
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yet only be trying to take their

502
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propaganda to the world

503
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what i've never heard of a publicity

504
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stunt from a celebrity before

505
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that's new never they don't do that

506
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of course we can't leave out the

507
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quote-unquote spiritual predictions

508
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that give us never heard before

509
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word salad rose armitage in 2005

510
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said a spiritual revolution

511
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could begin worldwide instead of people

512
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being preoccupied with their bodies

513
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they will become much more interested in

514
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their souls

515
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:27,679
forget those pesky bodies who needs them

516
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right

517
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stage advice for anybody who's looking

518
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to set or achieve their goals

519
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this is from allison maiden in 2020

520
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people becoming more disciplined setting

521
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and achieving goals

522
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that that's the prediction yeah never

523
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,720
heard that before but

524
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,159
then she warned us this is still in 2020

525
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:55,440
a massive shift is coming in everything

526
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,280
uh oh we better get ready very specific

527
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,710
and that's actually uh pretty soon isn't

528
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it 2020.

529
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:09,360
all right and then

530
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,360
rob palmer's favorite natural disasters

531
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natural disasters may happen as the

532
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,400
earth

533
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seeks to write herself and while 2012 is

534
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,880
a year of global changes

535
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,559
it isn't something to be feared and

536
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,880
that's from lara young in 2012.

537
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,280
rob does love natural disasters it's not

538
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,039
often that when somebody hears about a

539
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,799
natural disaster their reaction is

540
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,840
cheering

541
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,559
but according to laura that's the

542
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,159
world's writing itself so maybe we

543
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,760
should all be cheering maybe rob was

544
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,200
right after all

545
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:42,159
yep there we go all right here's a

546
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:42,960
prediction

547
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,480
for all of townsville so this is from

548
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,080
laura young in 2012

549
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,840
if you're in townsville you probably

550
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:52,080
remember this

551
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,919
there will be a lot of personal

552
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:56,000
development for all townsville people

553
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,720
this year

554
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,400
no matter your direction

555
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,960
self-improvement is the name of the game

556
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,120
and it will see the general attitudes of

557
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,000
the town beginning to change

558
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,480
yeah so i guess we could go interview

559
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,960
everyone who lived in townsville in 2012

560
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,559
and see if anything in their life

561
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,640
changed but seriously this

562
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,720
is their mo this prediction is

563
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,840
impossible to check

564
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,080
so it's impossible for the psychics to

565
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,600
be wrong

566
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,080
and then there's a lot of talk about the

567
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:25,679
end of the world

568
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,960
or not as in flavius 2004

569
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,280
we've been given three years to make a

570
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,960
choice about what kind of society we

571
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,000
want

572
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,520
i'm not saying it will be the end of the

573
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,960
world but i think by the end of 2007

574
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,720
we will say the world is truly a

575
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different place

576
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,640
sometimes we push things so hard we will

577
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:47,840
find it impossible

578
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,600
to turn back so it sounds to me like if

579
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,720
things go well

580
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,640
then we clearly made the right choice

581
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,960
whatever choice that is

582
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,600
if they go badly we obviously made the

583
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:00,799
wrong choice

584
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,240
and either way flavia is right exactly

585
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,000
it's a classic example of psychics

586
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,919
covering all bases but making it

587
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,640
sounding

588
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,880
profound and insightful unless you look

589
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,520
really closely at it

590
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,840
okay i have another not quite end of the

591
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:17,600
world prediction for you

592
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,200
this one's from gwen gordon in 2013.

593
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,880
so you know right after the world ended

594
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,039
in 2012

595
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,679
the change of era heralded by the end of

596
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,039
the mayan calendar

597
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,200
will slowly bring about a more peaceful

598
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:33,039
world

599
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,720
thing didn't work out

600
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:39,760
so they need to turn it into a metaphor

601
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,200
of course all right i have one last one

602
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,480
for you adrian

603
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:47,120
okay i'm ready psychics really love to

604
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,600
give

605
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,440
life advice that has this error of

606
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,360
profundity but they don't actually say

607
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,200
anything new or mind-blowing

608
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,400
but i have the best piece of advice that

609
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:57,919
you are ever going to get

610
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,039
all right listen carefully ready

611
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,559
i'm ready you might want to take some

612
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,799
notes got my pen ready

613
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,960
all right this is from kathy o'brien in

614
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2013.

615
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,320
people need to watch their diet and

616
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exercise more often

617
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,360
and remember to swim especially

618
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,919
in the desert i guess that means i can

619
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,760
look forward to seeing everybody

620
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,480
swimming in the desert and uh i think

621
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,640
that might be a really good note

622
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:29,600
for me to go upstairs now and put on my

623
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swimsuit

624
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,200
[Music]

625
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,840
with over 3 000 predictions in the

626
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,720
project

627
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,279
we still have a lot more to put into our

628
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,799
waffle file

629
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,360
but for now this has been adrian hill

630
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:46,799
with kelly burke

631
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:02,070
hello fellow skeptics do you want to be

632
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,679
in my new song

633
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:06,559
this is nathan eggins aka conspiracy of

634
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,120
one

635
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,279
and i'm releasing my new single the

636
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,559
sound a duck makes

637
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,440
on september 10 but i need some

638
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,039
volunteers

639
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,640
go to conspiracy of onesolo.com

640
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,960
and scroll down to the section marked

641
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,840
quack

642
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,919
follow the instructions and your voice

643
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,480
will be included in the song

644
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,640
join in and help me finish this fun

645
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,000
skeptical song

646
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:32,559
and remind people that we have a word

647
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,090
for fake doctors

648
00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:35,919
[Music]

649
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,860
and now a reading from the book of tim

650
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[Music]

651
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:51,690
with tim mendem

652
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,029
hi my name is tim mendem i'm the editor

653
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,640
of australian skeptics magazine the

654
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:03,919
skeptic

655
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,919
and today i'll be reading from june 2015

656
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,520
which is volume 35 number two

657
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,600
of the skeptic magazine which you can

658
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:15,520
download by the way uh for free from our

659
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:16,760
website

660
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,980
skeptics.com

661
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,360
[Music]

662
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,039
and this time i'm reading from the

663
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:23,120
column what goes around

664
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,399
which is a regular feature of the

665
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,600
magazine in which we look at a

666
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,440
particular fact or anecdote

667
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:30,080
or whatever and then by various strange

668
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,960
connections

669
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,480
work our way all the way back to the

670
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beginning where we started from

671
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,799
and this time i'll be looking at sears

672
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:37,840
spies

673
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,200
scryers and satan

674
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,399
we started off with john d as a double e

675
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,440
who lived from 1527 to 1608 or perhaps

676
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,520
1609 no one's really sure

677
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,200
he was a mathematician astronomer

678
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,880
philosopher and advisor

679
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,520
to queen elizabeth the first one of the

680
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,279
most learned men of his age he had been

681
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,360
invited to lecture on the geometry of

682
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,360
euclid at the university of paris while

683
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,279
still in his early twenties

684
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,720
dee was an ardent promoter of

685
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,279
mathematics and a respected astronomer

686
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,720
as well as a leading expert in

687
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,200
navigation in his lifetime d

688
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,360
amassed one of the largest libraries in

689
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:23,120
england at least three thousand printed

690
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,919
volumes

691
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,640
and a large number of manuscripts the

692
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,600
library was

693
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,640
pilfered during d's six-year trip to the

694
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:31,679
continent between

695
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
1583 and 1589 as well as after his death

696
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,000
people selling books from libraries is

697
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,559
pretty horrible now his high status

698
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,919
allowed him to play a role in

699
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,399
elizabethan politics including as a

700
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,880
covert operative for the crown

701
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,799
in this capacity he developed a code

702
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,840
name that the queen should use for him

703
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:54,159
two circles representing his eyes of the

704
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,039
queen

705
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,360
with two joining lines on the top and

706
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,039
the right

707
00:29:03,149 --> 00:29:01,200
which was seen as protection in other

708
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,159
words

709
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,159
07

710
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,200
7 of course was an occult symbol and d

711
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,039
immersed himself in the study of magic

712
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,279
astrology and hermetic philosophy

713
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,200
he devoted much time and effort in the

714
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,039
last 30 years or so of his life

715
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,679
to attempting to commune with angels in

716
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,679
order to learn the universal language of

717
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,720
creation

718
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,360
and bring about the pre-apocalyptic

719
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,679
unity of mankind

720
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,279
now during his long trip to the

721
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,520
continent when his library was filtered

722
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,440
he sought to supernaturally contact

723
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,760
angels through the services of edward

724
00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:38,480
kelly it's kelly with an eye then who

725
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,240
was a scryer

726
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,399
s-c-r-y-e-r or crystal geyser

727
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,640
kelly's angels communicated to him in a

728
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,679
special language

729
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,399
called enochian some modern

730
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:52,559
cryptographers argue that kelly invented

731
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,200
it

732
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,720
victim or an accomplice

733
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,360
kelly also known as edward talbot who

734
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,320
lived from 1555 to 97

735
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,159
apart from having the professed ability

736
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,399
to summon spirits or angels in a

737
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,279
shoe stone or a mirror also claim to

738
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:11,600
possess the secret of transmuting base

739
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,159
metals

740
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,840
into gold the goal of alchemy of course

741
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,200
as well as having knowledge of the

742
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:19,279
supposed philosopher's stone

743
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:23,440
itself though the enochian language is

744
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,000
largely

745
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:26,399
undecipherable it's being described as a

746
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,600
documentable case of true glossolalia

747
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,120
it has continued to be a source of

748
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,039
inspiration for occultists

749
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,039
including the rosicrucians and the

750
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,240
hermetic order of the golden dawn

751
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:40,640
and one of the key figures in the latter

752
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,279
group the

753
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,360
golden dawn was english ceremonial

754
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,440
magician poet painter novelist and

755
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,640
mountaineer

756
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,520
aleister crowley who lived from 1875 to

757
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,120
1947.

758
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,399
he joined the golden dawn in 1898.

759
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,960
crowley was described as a satanist and

760
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,200
advocate of human sacrifice

761
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,279
despite denying both of those things but

762
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,440
his life has intrigued many people

763
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,159
including jimmy page lead guitarist and

764
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,519
founder of the rock band

765
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,159
led zeppelin who for a period of about

766
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,240
12 years owned crawley's

767
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,640
bowls kind house on the shores of loch

768
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,399
ness

769
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,399
now rock bands especially exponents of

770
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,000
heavy metal and hard rock music

771
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,600
have regularly been described as

772
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,000
encompassing satanic influences

773
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,760
particularly by fundamentalist christian

774
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,039
groups

775
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,480
they have suggested that the name of the

776
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,720
band kiss stands for

777
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,440
knights in satan's service sometimes

778
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,640
kids in satan's service

779
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,399
because that extreme view is not helped

780
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,919
sometimes by bands like

781
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,240
black widow who recorded a sort of

782
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,519
satanic rock opera called sacrifice

783
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,600
which starts off with the line come come

784
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,679
come to the sabbath

785
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,039
so you would wonder that perhaps it is a

786
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,799
bit satanic and of course black sabbath

787
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,760
one of the most famous

788
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,840
heavy metal bands whose very name has

789
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:55,760
satanic associations though the band

790
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,559
deny

791
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,279
any association with satanism if you

792
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:00,559
listen to the first album

793
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,480
you'd wonder about that and iron maiden

794
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,080
whose third album is called number of

795
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:09,120
the beast in his latest song

796
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,840
the alchemist is about john d and edward

797
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,279
kelly and perhaps to show their lighter

798
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,640
more caring side

799
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,039
a number of members of hard rock and

800
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,200
supposedly satanic bands

801
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:23,120
including black sabbath lead guitarist

802
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,399
tony iaomi

803
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,720
and iron maiden singer bruce dickinson

804
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,600
gathered in

805
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,039
1989 to record a song in aid of armenia

806
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,640
which had just suffered a major

807
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,240
earthquake

808
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,080
in the same vein as the much larger

809
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,159
charity function live aid

810
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,480
rockade armenia recorded the deep purple

811
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,480
song smoke on the water

812
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,399
and this project was initiated and

813
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,640
coordinated by an international charity

814
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,600
campaigner

815
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:50,960
and the founder of planet arc his name

816
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:54,840
john d a descendant of the elizabethan

817
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,030
celebrity

818
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,960
[Music]

819
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,399
and that's what goes around from the

820
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,360
skeptic magazine june 2015

821
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,840
volume 35 number two which you can

822
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,760
download and have a read for free

823
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,200
from our website skeptics.com.ou

824
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,960
and while you're there click on the link

825
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:14,480
to subscribe

826
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,110
[Music]

827
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:32,159
oh no covet 19 is out and about in

828
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,440
sydney once again

829
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,760
[Music]

830
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:42,080
and we can't have skeptics in the pub in

831
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:43,120
the pub

832
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:45,340
for july

833
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,870
but there's good news we can still have

834
00:34:06,389 --> 00:33:52,159
skeptics in the pub

835
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,399
in july our special guest speaker will

836
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:07,600
be gideon

837
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:09,870
maya of its cats

838
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,200
[Applause]

839
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,399
and he will talk about coffee

840
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,520
is it good for your health is it bad

841
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:22,000
the internet is awash with conflicting

842
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,200
information

843
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:26,399
gid will examine where the truth

844
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,240
lies it may be somewhere in between

845
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,639
ghid is an epidemiologist working in

846
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,240
chronic diseases

847
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,240
with a particular focus on the social

848
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,639
determinations that control our health

849
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,440
he writes a regular health blog covering

850
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,839
science communication public health

851
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,520
and what that new study you've been

852
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,599
reading about actually means

853
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,240
he is also a member of the committee of

854
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,399
australian skeptics inc

855
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:55,679
join us on the 1st of july 7 pm

856
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,000
australian eastern standard time online

857
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,560
you can register at meetup links in this

858
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:03,760
week's show notes

859
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,870
australianskeptics is coffee good for

860
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,280
you

861
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,520
i certainly hope so find out for

862
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:21,680
yourself at sydney skeptics in the pub

863
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:31,250
thursday the 1st of july 7pm sydney time

864
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,320
[Music]

865
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,240
now it's time once more to look into the

866
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,400
pages of trove

867
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,520
at trove.nla.gov dot a u

868
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,119
the online resource from the australian

869
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,960
government and the national library of

870
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,000
australia

871
00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:59,119
hats off to those people for at least

872
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:02,180
putting together the trove archives

873
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,109
this week i thought we'd look for a

874
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,079
couple of words in the same article the

875
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,520
word psychic

876
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,640
and the word fraud

877
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:18,560
and not all the results are what you

878
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:19,740
might expect

879
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:29,349
let's kick off randomly in the year 1989

880
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:34,160
this 6th of june from the canberra times

881
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,320
psychic sued for fraud

882
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,480
melbourne a teacher who claimed to be

883
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,119
psychic had conned people into believing

884
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:46,000
crazy ideas that he did not even believe

885
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,880
himself

886
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,119
a barrister told the county court

887
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,640
yesterday

888
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,280
felicity hampel made the allegation

889
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,119
during cross-examination of john

890
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,720
fitzsimmons 41

891
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,000
of clayton who claims he is a psychic

892
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,480
healer and can talk to spirits which

893
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,000
have predicted the

894
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,119
end of the world miss hampel

895
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,599
was appearing for three former disciples

896
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,119
of mr fitzsimmons

897
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,079
who are suing him for allegedly making

898
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:16,560
fraudulent misrepresentations about

899
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:20,640
curing illnesses and for other claims

900
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:24,079
judge gorman has been told the trio

901
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:25,520
spent a total of almost

902
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,599
70 000 on courses run by mr fitzsimmons

903
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,720
after he predicted the world would end

904
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,960
and that they needed spiritual

905
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,480
protection

906
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,040
miss hampel said to miss simmons you

907
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,880
conned these people into believing the

908
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,640
catastrophes were coming

909
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,079
and you conned them into parting with

910
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,000
money claiming they wouldn't need

911
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,480
assets she said at the time mr

912
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,320
fitzsimmons bought a house

913
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,480
and made considerable money on his

914
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,000
psychic courses

915
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,800
i suggest that all of this was just a

916
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,839
sham

917
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,079
an easy way of making money from people

918
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,920
who were probably too gullible and

919
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,960
trusting

920
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,359
she said you conned them into believing

921
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,040
a system of crazy

922
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,920
values you didn't even believe yourself

923
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,079
she told mr fitzsimmons

924
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:15,599
the case continues today

925
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,599
maybe we should spend some time later on

926
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,760
and find out whatever happened in that

927
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,800
case

928
00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:24,640
now let's spin the dial on our time

929
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,320
machine and we've landed in the year

930
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,960
1906

931
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:32,000
from the west gippsland gazette in

932
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,200
victoria

933
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,320
4th of september a new

934
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,760
fraud psychic advice

935
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,119
mr w b northrop relates in a journal

936
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,359
devoted to psychical science

937
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,599
and confessions of a spiritualist named

938
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,040
mansfield

939
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,920
who drove a thriving trade in new york

940
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,720
as

941
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,920
quote psychic advisor and quote two

942
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,560
doublers in stocks

943
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,839
the advisor hearing of a visit from a

944
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,720
victim

945
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,800
would write a spirit message from the

946
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,480
late jay gould or

947
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,760
other millionaire on a slate which was

948
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:11,680
then covered with a kind of a

949
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,119
second frame when the victim called

950
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,920
the slate could be held under the table

951
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,359
while the

952
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:22,400
spirit wrote on it the second frame

953
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,440
being removed

954
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,560
at the same time the slate with the

955
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,000
message visible was then

956
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,880
produced mansfield was hand in glove

957
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,359
with a well-informed stockbroker

958
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,920
and thus gave his dupes some

959
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:36,960
occasionally

960
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:40,800
excellent advice and now

961
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,680
we find ourselves in the year 1932

962
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:48,960
saturday the 2nd of april from the

963
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:52,960
mail in adelaide south australia

964
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,000
spirit hand rings bell at seance

965
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,200
psychic phenomena stirs audience

966
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,040
quote no fraud end quote

967
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,520
the male special representative london

968
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,119
today

969
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,000
psychic phenomena described as the most

970
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,240
extraordinary scene in london

971
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,319
including a spirit hand which rang a

972
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,160
bell is reported from

973
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:19,280
a national psychic research seance

974
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,680
rudy schneider a young australian medium

975
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,400
was subject for two months to the most

976
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,839
rigorous tests

977
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,960
with negative results but recently 11

978
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,359
excited people were amazed by a

979
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,640
phenomena

980
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,040
mr harry price director of the psychic

981
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,480
research laboratory

982
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,880
says that there was no possibility of

983
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,920
fraud

984
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,640
rudy was seated several feet distant

985
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,560
from the zone of activity

986
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,599
two persons held his wrists he went into

987
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,480
a trance quickly breathing like a steam

988
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,119
engine

989
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,839
we heard the voice of olga his spirit

990
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:56,880
control

991
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:00,319
and we asked her if she wanted music

992
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,680
as we had previously assisted her in the

993
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,040
chorus of john brown's body

994
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:09,760
said mr price she replied in the

995
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,480
negative

996
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,960
and chatted freely suddenly a

997
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,040
handkerchief placed in the path of the

998
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,720
invisible ray

999
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,760
began to rise and knotted itself

1000
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,400
after which a child's hand upon which

1001
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,160
the nails were visible

1002
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:26,400
was seen holding the handkerchief

1003
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:27,359
invisible

1004
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,119
rays then rang a warning bell

1005
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,599
the hand moved towards and almost

1006
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,760
touched one of the observers

1007
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,240
lord charles hope threw a bunch of

1008
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:40,480
violets from his buttonhole

1009
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,400
on to the thin gauze protecting the rays

1010
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,400
immediately the violets were picked up

1011
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:49,119
torn to pieces and scattered

1012
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,560
four cameras secured photographs of the

1013
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,119
manifestations

1014
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:56,079
mr price added we offer no explanation

1015
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,119
of the phenomena

1016
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,960
we are only concerned whether the

1017
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,960
medium's claims are true

1018
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:03,200
we are fully satisfied with schneider

1019
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,240
who is the

1020
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,960
sheet anchor of psychic research and is

1021
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,880
the biggest paid medium

1022
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:11,520
in the world it's one of those times

1023
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,000
where i

1024
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,480
would have loved to have been a fly on

1025
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,240
the wall

1026
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,520
or seen this for myself first hand in

1027
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,359
other words

1028
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,599
and where do we end up next let's spin

1029
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:24,720
the dial

1030
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,839
and come to the year 1928 the 16th of

1031
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,920
sunday times from perth western

1032
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,760
australia

1033
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:36,640
spiritualists a bombshell for them

1034
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,280
famous

1035
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,720
psychic experts declaration

1036
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,160
into the storm of controversy aroused as

1037
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:46,319
a result of what has been described as

1038
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,119
the quote

1039
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,160
spiritualist test case end quote

1040
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,200
at westminster police court a bombshell

1041
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:54,640
has been dropped by mr

1042
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,640
j i d bristol president of the american

1043
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,119
society for psychical research

1044
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,079
he has just sailed for new york after a

1045
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,440
visit to europe

1046
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,480
says reynolds illustrated news

1047
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,960
in an interview on the eve of his

1048
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,000
departure

1049
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,640
he said despite all the years of intense

1050
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,599
study

1051
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,240
and investigation there is as yet no

1052
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,839
definitive evidence of

1053
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:22,480
life after death we are investigating

1054
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,359
any phenomena

1055
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,880
which are not understood and some of us

1056
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,200
are hoping that we will eventually find

1057
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:30,800
evidence for something beyond

1058
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,160
the grave so far however i must confess

1059
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,760
that research has not

1060
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,000
revealed anything which indicates a

1061
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,280
continuation

1062
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:42,480
of personality after death

1063
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:46,079
houdini's great gift in houdini the

1064
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,640
famous

1065
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,920
handcuff king an illusionist added mr

1066
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,200
bristol

1067
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:53,760
america had a wonderful investigator he

1068
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,240
had a

1069
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,599
perfect gift of discovering fraud and

1070
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,400
he was a tireless worker but neither he

1071
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,079
nor professor heislap

1072
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,280
for many years our secretary has

1073
00:44:10,349 --> 00:44:08,319
communicated with us since their death

1074
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,359
fraudulent claims to the country

1075
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,680
notwithstanding

1076
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,079
mr bristol added that evidence which

1077
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,000
could not be subjected to

1078
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,280
impartial critical scrutiny was not

1079
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,160
worth anything countless stories which

1080
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,240
seemed to provide pure proof

1081
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,720
of genuine telepathy at first sight

1082
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:27,520
failed

1083
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,520
under the strictest test our society

1084
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:34,000
he went on hears hundreds of such

1085
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,040
stories

1086
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,119
yet we have investigated so many

1087
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:38,560
thousands finding them

1088
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,800
to be built on coincidences exaggeration

1089
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,079
or hallucination and the classic example

1090
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,119
which occurred

1091
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:49,359
to our vice president in london a year

1092
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,160
ago

1093
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,680
is not accepted by our investigators

1094
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,880
an amazing trance the vice president of

1095
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,760
the american society mr bristol related

1096
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:02,400
was introduced to a famous mystic as

1097
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:02,880
quote

1098
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,280
according to the official

1099
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,800
the medium a woman went into a trance

1100
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,440
and penetrating his false name told him

1101
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,599
of the death that evening of a member of

1102
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,200
his family in america

1103
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,359
the official returned to his hotel and

1104
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,319
found a cable

1105
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,640
which agreed in every detail with the

1106
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,640
medium statement

1107
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,319
it would seem that we would have to

1108
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:28,800
believe this said mr bristol

1109
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,000
but we could not because it was a story

1110
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,480
the conditions cannot be duplicated we

1111
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,160
have only the word of a

1112
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,560
couple of friends that it happened while

1113
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:40,079
we must treat their statements with

1114
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,960
respect

1115
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,040
we should not be doing our duty as a

1116
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:45,200
scientific body if we accepted such

1117
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:46,240
testimony

1118
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,240
instead of insisting upon definite and

1119
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:51,960
incontrovertible proof

1120
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,520
400 years old indian

1121
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,599
although the summons against the two

1122
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:59,440
women defendants in the case at

1123
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,079
westminster

1124
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,880
police court concerned fortune telling

1125
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,240
the fact that they were both

1126
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,160
prominent members of the london

1127
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,160
spiritualist alliance

1128
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,000
of which sir arthur conan doyle is

1129
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,240
president invariably

1130
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,000
bought before the court the great

1131
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,400
problem of survival after death

1132
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,920
sir arthur also gave evidence as did

1133
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,160
that other famous champion of psychical

1134
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:24,319
research sir oliver lodge

1135
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:27,839
one of the defendants mrs c

1136
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,119
the well-known medium who was stated

1137
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,560
to have acted as quote control

1138
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:37,599
and quote for white chief

1139
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,640
a sue who lived 400

1140
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,839
years ago and just quickly sue

1141
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,800
is referring to the first nations of the

1142
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:47,760
americas

1143
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,680
so that's s i o u x

1144
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,079
in dismissing under the first offenders

1145
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,520
act the summons against

1146
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,560
mrs catlin and the other defendant

1147
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,920
miss mercy fillimore secretary of the

1148
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,560
alliance

1149
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,920
the magistrate mr alton said

1150
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,319
he had a perfectly open mind about

1151
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,760
spiritualism

1152
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,800
and he had assumed that mrs canton

1153
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:15,839
did believe she was under the control

1154
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,119
of this chief his black dog

1155
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,680
and his white rabbits and other things

1156
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,200
that belonged to him

1157
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,480
but added mr alton i should strongly

1158
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,160
advise her to get rid

1159
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,960
of a disembodied spirit who wants to

1160
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,520
know the time for lunch and tea

1161
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,079
miss philly moore was ordered to pay 20

1162
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:37,520
pounds cost

1163
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,960
and mrs cantlin 10 pounds

1164
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,319
sir a conan doyle's protest

1165
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,440
among the varied opinion on the case one

1166
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:48,640
of the most

1167
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,000
spirited comments is made by sir arthur

1168
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,400
conan doyle who strongly protests

1169
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,720
against such police prosecutions

1170
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,359
he said that many spiritualists believe

1171
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,640
mediums

1172
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,079
as those angels of the church to whom

1173
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,200
paul alludes this being so

1174
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,839
he contends any legal action which

1175
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,800
forbids or

1176
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,280
restricts them is to that extent

1177
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,200
religious persecution

1178
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,880
that the police should be employed on

1179
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,559
such a matter is deplorable

1180
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,800
especially as their activities take

1181
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,000
hateful shapes

1182
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,800
of agents provocateurs our demands are

1183
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,559
moderate and reasonable

1184
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,119
what we wish as a minimum is that all

1185
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,720
registered spiritualistic

1186
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,520
churches and all serious societies for

1187
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,359
the study of psychic matters

1188
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:38,240
should be exempt from police prosecution

1189
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,440
we hold no belief

1190
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:42,079
for the mere fortune teller whose work

1191
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,800
has no

1192
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,200
religious significance and no guarantee

1193
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,559
of sincerity

1194
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,400
so oliver lodge said he was satisfied

1195
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,400
from his scientific experience

1196
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:53,760
that there were media who were perfectly

1197
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,119
genuine in the work they did

1198
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,160
there were also others as far as the

1199
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,800
duties of the media are concerned

1200
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:05,040
added to oliver it is a kind of human

1201
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,920
faculty

1202
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:08,480
who do not understand but which we are

1203
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,520
trying to investigate

1204
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,079
the society for psychical research of

1205
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,839
which i have been a member since

1206
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,480
1882 was founded to investigate

1207
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,640
supernormal human faculties

1208
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:21,440
whatever they may be media are the

1209
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,160
instruments

1210
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,359
for the purpose of that study with

1211
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,160
apologies to the various people involved

1212
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,800
whose voices i tried to copy

1213
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,839
probably very poorly sorry about that

1214
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,760
sir arthur

1215
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,000
i'm sure he'll forgive me now we find

1216
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,480
ourselves in the year 1935 for our final

1217
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:41,760
entry

1218
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:45,280
on the 23rd of july tweed

1219
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:48,800
daily and that paper came from

1220
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:53,440
the uh the town the city of

1221
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,880
in northern new south wales are

1222
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,119
spiritualists

1223
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,720
write psychic phenomena to be tested by

1224
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,079
special instruments london

1225
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,760
july 6 by airmail details

1226
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,240
of new scientific experiments to prove

1227
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,480
or disprove the existence of life after

1228
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,359
death

1229
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:16,480
were revealed this week by dr nandor

1230
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,839
fodor who heads the most intensive

1231
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:20,880
psychic research

1232
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:24,160
movement ever known in britain he told

1233
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:25,119
about

1234
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,400
a quote cloud chamber

1235
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:31,359
end quote which makes visible a certain

1236
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:31,920
form of

1237
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,599
energy given off by bodies after death

1238
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,520
an electrical device to record the

1239
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:38,880
voices of

1240
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:42,400
dead people heard it direct voice

1241
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:46,480
seances an infrared cinematograph

1242
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,839
film which registers changes in the

1243
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,640
features

1244
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,000
of a medium psychic phenomena do

1245
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,440
exist said dr fodor what we are

1246
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,880
endeavoring to do

1247
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:01,040
is provide the layman with evidence that

1248
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,240
these phenomena

1249
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,880
are genuine and if possible to give

1250
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:05,359
proof

1251
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,200
of the source from which they originate

1252
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,000
dr fodor and his associates at the

1253
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,319
institute for psychical research

1254
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,599
are not spiritualists although they are

1255
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,640
not opposed

1256
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,000
to the belief he told of experiments

1257
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,160
made with mice placed in the cloud

1258
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,760
chamber a glass

1259
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,000
cylinder to which are attached to

1260
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:29,760
various tubes containing

1261
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,119
mercury and compressed air

1262
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,839
the mice are killed in the chamber in

1263
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,240
which a vacuum is created

1264
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,960
the moisture occasioned by the vacuum

1265
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:41,839
forms

1266
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:45,040
a cloak around the quote

1267
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,800
energy then quote given off by the body

1268
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,880
it is eventually hope to prove that

1269
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,400
every living creature possesses a

1270
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,520
vehicle through which

1271
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:56,880
intelligence may be expressed in a life

1272
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:02,710
another invention is an electrical sound

1273
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:03,599
recorder

1274
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,720
which makes permanent records on wax

1275
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,680
disks records are being made by people

1276
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,119
now living so that

1277
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,760
they should appear at a seance after

1278
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:14,960
death

1279
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,319
and accurate voice comparison can be

1280
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,599
made

1281
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,480
the recorder's greatest use will be as a

1282
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,680
guarantee against

1283
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:26,800
fraud during a dark seance

1284
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:29,920
for the sensitive mic

1285
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,359
picks up the faintest sound such as

1286
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:36,720
a whisper or movement by the medium

1287
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,280
dr fodor explained the apparatus for

1288
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,839
photographing by infrared and

1289
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:45,680
ultraviolet rays

1290
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,040
has already been used new experiments

1291
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,359
with ultraviolet rays and a quartz

1292
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,640
lens which can transmit waves ordinary

1293
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,160
glass would reject

1294
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,280
will just hoped render photography of

1295
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:00,559
the unseen

1296
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,190
and there we are just some of the

1297
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,599
interesting results returned

1298
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,680
when we run a search through the trove

1299
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,119
archives on the word

1300
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:18,079
psychic and the word fraud in the same

1301
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:18,630
article

1302
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,119
[Music]

1303
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,200
and you know we can look back at those

1304
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,720
past times and

1305
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,480
read the reports and the accounts of

1306
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:32,319
various people like sir arthur conan

1307
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,280
doyle

1308
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,920
and sort of have a bit of a wry smile

1309
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,200
but

1310
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,960
this sort of thing still goes on there

1311
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,960
are thousands millions of people around

1312
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,280
the world who simply still believe

1313
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,000
in most of this sort of thing although

1314
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,760
you know there are trends fads come and

1315
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,359
go

1316
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,440
channeling is a classic example of a fad

1317
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,119
that comes and goes or i don't think

1318
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,800
it's been around for a while now

1319
00:54:00,430 --> 00:53:57,359
but yes all those interesting reports

1320
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,440
from history are at your fingertips at

1321
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,760
trove.nla.gov.eu

1322
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,000
but as ever you can always check out

1323
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,599
what your

1324
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:08,800
to offer

1325
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,990
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1326
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:32,079
zone and as you would have heard in this

1327
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,119
week's episode

1328
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,760
we bid a sad farewell to the zealot

1329
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,640
podcast a podcast i enjoyed very much

1330
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:40,640
and well done to joe thornley and her

1331
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,680
friends

1332
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:43,599
for producing that interesting

1333
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,880
entertaining and educational podcast

1334
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,319
and also you would have heard from

1335
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,480
nathan eggins about his new song

1336
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,640
what sound does a duck make where he

1337
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,160
wants you to uh

1338
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:57,599
send in the word quack

1339
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:07,750
quack quack

1340
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,670
maybe maybe you can use that don't worry

1341
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,000
nathan i'll send that to you separately

1342
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,079
but yes just follow the link in this

1343
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,440
week's show note say quack a few times

1344
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,079
send it into nathan and you too may well

1345
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,040
end up on his new song

1346
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,599
and another thing to look out for in

1347
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440
this week's show notes i've linked to

1348
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,440
the tea room which is the podcast from

1349
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,839
the medical republic magazine

1350
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,520
now a few weeks ago on the skeptic zone

1351
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:44,400
you may remember that uh

1352
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,839
daryl cahoon and penny durham and i

1353
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,680
visited mind body wallet mind body

1354
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:50,640
spirit

1355
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:53,839
well the podcast from the

1356
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,200
event on from the side of the medical

1357
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,200
republic has just been put out

1358
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:02,559
and penny interviews me at the event and

1359
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,000
also they talk to professor ken harvey

1360
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,960
and they go into some detail about

1361
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
regulation

1362
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,079
for medical devices i encourage you to

1363
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,680
go there follow the link in the show

1364
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:15,520
notes and listen to it

1365
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:18,960
and please read the comments

1366
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,480
they're interesting

1367
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,680
comments along the lines of how dare

1368
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:26,559
skeptics

1369
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,240
comment in a medical podcast sometimes

1370
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,640
i think people just don't get it anyway

1371
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:34,000
if you want to listen to that podcast

1372
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,960
and then

1373
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,640
add your own comments i think that would

1374
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,000
be appreciated

1375
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:40,000
coming up on next week's show no book of

1376
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,680
tim oh

1377
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,480
i know that's sad yes because we've run

1378
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:49,839
out of books of tim's

1379
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,720
books of tim's sounds like a box of tim

1380
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,599
tams

1381
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,920
i am going to visit tim as soon as the

1382
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,640
lockdown is over and we will record more

1383
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,160
book of tim's

1384
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,119
books of tim whatever it is in fact i'm

1385
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,559
going to take a little portable studio

1386
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,200
this time for a slightly better sound

1387
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,720
and what else is coming up next week

1388
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:10,160
well i don't know we'll have to all wait

1389
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,119
one week

1390
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:14,400
and find out but for this week

1391
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,799
for this week oh just before i go

1392
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,880
i do have some easter eggs on the show

1393
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,400
this week so keep listening

1394
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,240
and please bear in mind if you're

1395
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,400
playing the dice game this week

1396
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,520
the die i use has four

1397
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:32,160
sides keep that in mind it's a

1398
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,280
four-sided die

1399
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,760
but until next week this is richard

1400
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:36,880
saunders signing off

1401
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,870
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00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:46,319
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00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,480
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1424
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,119
great australian prediction project i'm

1425
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,599
with our with a little team here we've

1426
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,200
got lou we've got kelly

1427
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,599
leonard and susan and adrian hello

1428
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:51,359
everybody

1429
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:54,720
hi richard and oh there's susan she was

1430
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,280
on mute

1431
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,720
we'll do a quick dice game we didn't

1432
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,000
have one last week we had a bit of

1433
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,680
silliness with tim mandum and i trying

1434
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,880
to do some recording

1435
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,400
i'm going to roll this dice and it's up

1436
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,160
to you at home and you folks

1437
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,720
in the virtual room we've got here for

1438
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,480
the prediction projects and

1439
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:11,280
incidentally we are looking at the major

1440
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:14,480
events of the year 2002

1441
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,760
not predicted not predicted by psychics

1442
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,680
and that's a very interesting project

1443
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,200
let's call out some numbers what do we

1444
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,440
have three

1445
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,960
five five seven three because

1446
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,359
good things happen in threes or is it

1447
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,200
bad things happen in threes

1448
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,319
all of the things happening and all

1449
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,839
right so let's see the first roll of the

1450
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,359
dice are you playing at home guess away

1451
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,880
what number's going to come up here it

1452
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,960
comes

1453
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,359
it's a one i'll write that down

1454
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,880
somewhere

1455
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,680
first number this week is one okay

1456
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,520
second number guess away what do i hear

1457
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:52,480
remember there's only one down two yeah

1458
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:53,040
three

1459
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:00,960
okay here it comes it's four

1460
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:03,920
this isn't right five should come up

1461
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:04,480
sometimes

1462
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,079
you think okay i promise you susan i'm

1463
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:09,520
accurately telling you what the number

1464
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:09,920
is

1465
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:13,200
and the last roll guess away

1466
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,079
three five three here he comes

1467
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,119
oh it's another one so

1468
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,599
this is not right the odds are that it

1469
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:25,119
should be five at least twenty percent

1470
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,839
of the time and it is five

1471
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,760
like one percent of the time so

1472
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,480
something is

1473
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,440
right today there's something wrong here

1474
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:35,040
i'm losing at today's winning numbers

1475
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:35,680
folks

1476
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,799
for you playing at home one four

1477
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,520
and one and now i get to show the gang

1478
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:43,200
here on the video the die i've been

1479
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:44,559
using there we are

1480
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,160
it's a four-sided dime no

1481
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,440
you hit five that's not fair but still

1482
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,880
none of us got it we

1483
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:55,440
all knew that it was more excited did

1484
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:56,160
you

1485
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:02,720
having lunch and we are so hot

1486
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,799
we are psychic all right for susan's

1487
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,400
told you something was wrong didn't i

1488
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,319
say something was wrong you did

1489
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,640
for susan we'll do the last the

1490
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,799
supplementary using a d20 and i'll hold

1491
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:16,480
it up there it is i promise you

1492
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:20,160
it is it is okay call out those numbers

1493
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:23,839
it's gonna be a five seven two three

1494
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,420
here it comes four

1495
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:26,799
[Applause]

1496
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:29,839
and the lucky winning number is

1497
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:34,020
11. 11. thanks everybody

1498
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:44,630
and rose armitage in 2005 said

1499
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,000
a spiritual revolution could begin

1500
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:52,079
worldwide sorry that was so good

1501
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,270
i'm sorry do it exactly like that again

1502
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,400
and i promise i won't crack up okay

1503
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,440
oh yeah i'll start with the prediction

1504
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,799
because i think we were good until then

1505
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,240
yeah we started giggling

1506
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:14,079
i don't know what made me decide to do